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  • 1.  Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 21-10-2021 12:41
    My Name is Peter Koleszar, I am a Hungarian structural engineering student. I am writing to you because I have a simple question regarding the permit to design / signing authority in the world and especially in the EU.

    What does it take to be allowed to sign the structural plans and take full legal responsibility for them all across (at least) the European Union?

    I know that in Hungary I need to have structural engineering Msc degree then go to the Chamber of Engineers, work for 5 years under an already permitted structural engineer and then I can get my right of signature. 

    But I don't want to go through all of this trouble for only a Hungarian permit. We live in a globalised world, there must be a way to have this permit in all first world countries or at the very least in all the EU member states.
    Thank you for your help, I am waiting for your answer!
    Yours faithfully
    Peter Koleszar


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    Peter Koleszar
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  • 2.  RE: Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 21-10-2021 20:01
    Dear Peter,
    I am sorry I can't help you with that. Maybe others have an idea?

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    Sanne Hieltjes
    City of Rotterdam
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  • 3.  RE: Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 21-10-2021 23:21
    Üdvözlöm Péter, 

    I am sorry I can not help you. Maybe others in this group can.

    Best regards,
    Pieter Wiekeraad
    The Netherlands




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  • 4.  RE: Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 22-10-2021 06:28

    Yes, it's the same in the UK, MSc + Charterrd review which takes about 5 years. It's to prove that you are competent in the work you do and have had appropriate training. 

    just consider the effect on your client if your work failed.



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    John Thomson
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  • 5.  RE: Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 24-10-2021 05:04
    Thank you very much for your answer! I understand the reason why the charterred review is required. This is a profession with a ton of responsibility and potentially dangerous consequences. I just don't want to be charterred for 5 years in every country separately, especially since we live in the EU, we design according to Eurocode and we have a common higher educational system based on universal credits. I hardly see a reason for not being allowed to design a building in any EU member state with any EU Msc degree and after 5 years in the profession charterred by any EU engineer.

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    Peter Koleszar
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  • 6.  RE: Structural accreditation in the EU?

    Posted 23-10-2021 08:35
    Hi Peter,
    Firstly, congratulations on taking a world view regarding engineering qualifications. In New Zealand the degree qualifications from many countries are accepted, but like Hungary, we have a postgraduate qualification specific to New Zealand which requires 4 or 5 years of work experience to complete. 

    To get more information on the possibility of obtaining a postgraduate engineering qualification that would apply to the whole of the EU, I suggest that you contact Gabor Szollossy at MMK (Magyar Mernoki Kamara, ie Hungarian Chamber of Engineers). When I last met Gabor in 2017 he was the Hungarian representative on the European Council of Civil Engineers (ECCE). It is very likely that the matter of a postgraduate engineering qualification that applies to the whole of the EU has been discussed by the ECCE so I am sure that Gabor would be able to provide you with helpful information on this topic. Gabor's email address is:
    szollossy.gabor@mmk.hu

    If Gabor no longer works for MMK, then I suggest that you contact Prof. Ing. Alois Materna (alois.materna@seznam.cz) who is represents the Czech Republic on ECCE.

    With your ability to see the "big picture" you clearly have a talent that could be utilised in engineering association management. Can I suggest that you get involved with MMK or a similar organisation in Hungary? If you attend MMK (or similar) meetings of practitioners (eg branch meetings) you will see opportunities arise and over time you could be influencing the direction of the organisation by being a board member. Think about it! 

    Kind regards,
    Ross

    Ross Vincent
    IFME Past President
    Thames, New Zealand



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